un mīnusos no baterejas iztecēs zampa bet nu baigi smuki tie campa

Cerams shitais veidojums buus labaaks par Shima sacepumu.. Bet izskataas jau smuki!

Cerams shitais veidojums buus labaaks par Shima sacepumu.. Bet izskataas jau smuki!

Kas tad tam "sacepumam" vainas?

Nezinu par tantēm, bet šeit ir lielisks vispārīgs salīdzinājums, ja nu kāds nav atradis:

I think it's safe to say that I have a lot of experience with all the groups and that without hard numbers collected over years of use, I could probably guess at the answers to those as well as anyone. Just thinking about the last two years, (about as long as 11spd and Di2 have been out and as well how long since the change to 7900) I think I could throw a generalized list like that together pretty easy.

Ranked from best to worst, based on my experience and opinion, not only with my own groups but those of others from general customers to pro tour riders that we work with.

Ease of setup (not just how easy it is, but also how long it takes.)
1. Campag11
2. 7900
3. Sram Red
4. Di2

Maintenance:
1: Di2
2. Sram
3. Campag 11
4 7900

Reliability: (based on number of shifts front+rear without mis-shifts.)
1. Di2
2. 7900 (although not as good as 7800 was.)
3. Campag 11 (Campag 10 would have easily come in ahead of 7900 and tied with 7800.)
4. Sram red (because of front shifting issues)

Ability to shift under load:
1. Di2
2. 7900
3. Campag 11 (close to 7900 but 7900 still wins in the front.)
4. Sram (again suffers for front shifting issues.)

Weight:
1. Sram red
2. Campag 11
3. 7900
4. Di2

Cost: Based on U.S. retail price
1. Sram red
2. Campag Record 11
3. 7900 and Super Record 11 (technically 7900 is cheaper at retail but by less than $20 so basically I'd say they are a tie.)
4. Di2

Survivability in a crash. Basically this really can't be estimated fairly so I'll leave it alone. I will say that it's pretty rare to see most of the groups get severly damaged in a crash, but probably most frequent severe damage is a snapped Campag lever blade. Though really not common.

Durability. based it on failures that don't seem to be crash related.
I'm going to list these as ties. Basically you have Di2 and Sram in 1st, both of which are fairly rare to see break in any way. The other tie is with 7900 and Campag 11. Occasionally you see a mech plate break on Shimano rears, and you see the index gearing jam up and break on the shifters. For Campag we see a fair amount of broken front derailleurs. Since going to the carbon outer plate the Campag derailleur has become a lot more delicate than in years past.

Repairability:
1. Campag 11
2. Sram
3. 7900 and Di2

Ergonomics, this is an individual preference so shouldn't be included in a generalized list.

I'll only add one other and that's warranty/service.
1. Sram
2. 7900 and Di2
3. Campag 11

I don't think you actually expected a real answer but since I had a few spare minutes I at least gave you a starting point. So if anyone would care to discuss the groups on their merits, you've got a list to work from .

Di2 nekur nezaudē, izņemot cenu (dabiski) un svaru, kā arī remontējamību (arī nekāds ne pārsteigums).

Elektriskajam Campagnolo jau bija bilde, kur Movistar braucējs ar bateriju rokās min ) Bet to puiši droši vien izlabos līdz laišanai tirgū.

Last edited by mrlobber (25.01.2011 19:42:34)

Bija doma paņemt Di2, bet par smagu un pārāk man patīk Campa Record 10. Bet jā, Di2 labprāt iemēģinātu, lai arī nekas cits no Shimano pēc Campas man vairs nepatīk.

Jāni, razģelkām jau tas neko daudz neiespaido. Galvenais jau Di2 ir precīzi shifti un automātiska pašregulācija, kā arī iespēja pievienot optional shift pogas kur vien vēlas uz stūres, kas CX braucējiem vai sprinteriem ir gana noderīga lieta.

Es jau nesaku ka nav Es tikai saku ka priekšrocības priekš TT ir krietni mazākas.

Pārslēgties pirms bremzēšanas neviens neiedomājās?

Atliek tikai dažreiz pabrīnīties par mūsu mazās zemes lielajiem ekspertiem! Es gan šeit runāju par to "sacepumu", jo es kā reiz arī biju lasījis populārzinātniskos laikrakstos, ka Di2 citēju "is the best thing that happened in last decade in cycling".

Cerams shitais veidojums buus labaaks par Shima sacepumu.. Bet izskataas jau smuki!

Kas tad tam "sacepumam" vainas?

Lietus laikaa gljuko, un shito es zinu no neizlasaamiem avotiem.

Par populaarzinaatniskajiem rakstiem - ja esat ieveerojushi, ir dazjaadi velo zjurnaali, kuri taa smalki pamanaas slaveet vienu razjotaaju, bet ne tik jauki izteikties par otru..

Taa ka es labaak ticeeshu tiem, kas konkreetos izstraadaajumus lieto, un kas tos visus verkjus apkopj.

Dīvaini, bet man nekur pie lietotāju atsauksmēm neizdevās atrast pat mājienus par Di2 "gļukošanu' lietū. Galīgi neizskatā pēc tipiskas slimības.

Ir gadījies labot?

Last edited by ritenbraucejs (26.01.2011 18:51:13)

Labi, ko nu es.. juus tak labaak zinaat.
Savu esmu pateicis, vairaak man te nav ko teikt.

Veci ko jus te njematies.Vakar ITT sac. Smiltene varejat pec finisa pieiet pie Gata un pajautat,ka tad darbojas/gljuko Di2 un visas jusu bedas tiktu atrisinatas 2min.laikaa.
p.s. HTC mehu atsauksmes par Di2 ir tikai pozitivas.

Last edited by cello (24.06.2011 13:04:02)

Šaubos.. velosports ir izjūtu/spēka pasākums. Bet nu ja ietrenē kā robotam...